1 00:00:06,860 --> 00:00:05,269 that word in laser pointer gutter okay 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:06,870 thank you very much I appreciate this 3 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:10,730 opportunity to be here so it's nice and 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:13,860 the good news is that my mathematics is 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:15,210 not quite as tough as some of them them 6 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:18,090 before so that may be good or bad news i 7 00:00:23,390 --> 00:00:20,880 don't know which i've started out kind 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:23,400 of strangely in a way because this ye 9 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:26,490 yang symbol so to speak it's a satellite 10 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:31,470 of Saturn it's the moon I artists it has 11 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:33,390 one side which is all mostly right and 12 00:00:37,729 --> 00:00:35,520 one side which is basically black which 13 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:37,739 is kind of unusual it's really the only 14 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:39,899 place in the solar system like that this 15 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:42,180 is a somewhat better shot of it closer 16 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:46,140 up thanks to Cassini and looks kind of 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:47,910 normal in some respects except for sort 18 00:00:54,290 --> 00:00:49,530 of a little Ridge runnin around there 19 00:00:57,319 --> 00:00:54,300 which as it turns out shown here this 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:00:57,329 Ridge is a well if it were on earth on a 21 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:00,770 relative basis it would be 60 miles high 22 00:01:06,070 --> 00:01:03,000 because all the way around the planet 23 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:06,080 excuse me all the way around the moon 24 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:08,460 this is extremely strange this doesn't 25 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:10,320 like it and there's been some attempts 26 00:01:15,679 --> 00:01:12,750 to explain it but it doesn't get 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:15,689 explained too well nor does the black 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:17,610 white get explained to well we just 29 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:20,130 can't quite figure that one out but of 30 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:21,990 course all of them are running around 31 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:24,570 the planet Saturn now as it turns out 32 00:01:31,100 --> 00:01:28,590 most of the moons of Saturn are based on 33 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:31,110 the same plane as the Rings and so 34 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:32,670 really if you're one of these are the 35 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:34,159 millions you can't see anything you 36 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:36,960 can't see the ring just kind of a thick 37 00:01:40,749 --> 00:01:38,790 line maybe maybe you got a shadow on the 38 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:40,759 planet occasionally but that's about it 39 00:01:48,649 --> 00:01:44,670 but I epic taste is a little different 40 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:48,659 you can see that the side and with all 41 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:50,220 the other moons on the Rings are right 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:52,590 in here and then I epochs is doing this 43 00:01:57,709 --> 00:01:55,770 really nice ellipsoid here it's about 44 00:02:01,359 --> 00:01:57,719 900 miles across and it's got a few 45 00:02:04,039 --> 00:02:01,369 things it's really very few few 46 00:02:07,110 --> 00:02:04,049 satellites that has a shall we say a 47 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:07,120 moon with a view and it really gets to 48 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:08,770 saturn and you don't get to do it 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:10,840 otherwise and in fact the moon with the 50 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:12,250 view is a good place to go if you are 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:14,590 interested in doing this and looking in 52 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:16,450 this photos by Richard Hoagland some 53 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:18,850 other things and it's really pretty 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:21,330 fascinating and a lot of respects I 55 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:25,690 mentioned it at this point because from 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:28,210 my viewpoint is do it's my motivation in 57 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:29,530 the way for the one of some of the 58 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:32,130 things I'm talking about doing and that 59 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:34,720 the whole idea of this talk is that one 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:37,360 if I wanted to go to Saturn 1 i'm going 61 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:39,730 to need a good propulsion system not a 62 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:41,590 word drive necessarily like that because 63 00:02:45,420 --> 00:02:43,510 let's face it if you had work blood 64 00:02:47,220 --> 00:02:45,430 there'd be some rules saying you can't 65 00:02:48,930 --> 00:02:47,230 do it inside the orbit of Saturn or 66 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:48,940 something like that you know you you 67 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:51,850 know it did cause too much no it just to 68 00:02:58,170 --> 00:02:55,930 be terrible but anyway so also need an 69 00:02:59,580 --> 00:02:58,180 energy source to get there too and so 70 00:03:00,930 --> 00:02:59,590 we're going to a little of a segue here 71 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:00,940 we're going to talk about propulsion and 72 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:02,770 we're going to talk about in going into 73 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:05,850 the developing some energy from all this 74 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:08,710 now the what I want to start with this 75 00:03:12,810 --> 00:03:10,810 in terms of propulsion is Newton's third 76 00:03:16,110 --> 00:03:12,820 law which is for every action there is 77 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:16,120 an equal and opposite reaction now equal 78 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:17,530 and opposite is probably to be 79 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:19,030 emphasized because the equal and 80 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:21,790 opposite is a conservation that's right 81 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:23,650 if you push against something then we 82 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:25,600 got to have the same lot of push going 83 00:03:30,810 --> 00:03:28,000 the other way otherwise it does you know 84 00:03:35,130 --> 00:03:30,820 something wrong but maybe maybe that's 85 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:35,140 not quite right for example anytime you 86 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:36,790 have a conservation law you have to kind 87 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:38,860 of look at all the assumptions that it 88 00:03:44,610 --> 00:03:41,440 makes this one makes for example assumes 89 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:44,620 a point mass it assumes actionable the 90 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:48,700 entire body simultaneously we also know 91 00:03:51,930 --> 00:03:50,290 in general in terms of mechanics that 92 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:51,940 the mass is usually concentrated at the 93 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:54,070 center of gravity things act as if 94 00:03:58,620 --> 00:03:55,510 they're operating from the center of 95 00:04:00,650 --> 00:03:58,630 gravity some of these assumptions are 96 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:00,660 essentially assumption of simultaneity 97 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:04,050 order you're pushing everything at once 98 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:06,580 there also is a similar action upon a 99 00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:08,500 rigid body which doesn't work if you're 100 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:10,720 dealing with jello jello is not 101 00:04:15,230 --> 00:04:12,400 generally used in most of these talks 102 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:15,240 but in fact it's it does so 103 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:18,330 purpose one of the things that all these 104 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:21,030 laws Newtonian mechanics in particular 105 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:24,240 it still works you know those mechanics 106 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:26,430 it does work when you get into very high 107 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:28,650 velocities like approaching the speed of 108 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:31,020 light hey great you're gonna have to 109 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:34,560 make some changes but Einstein really 110 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:36,570 just extended Newtonian mechanics and to 111 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:38,760 certain realms and I want to suggest 112 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:41,160 today that one of the realms will need 113 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:43,770 to extend it into is extremely seller 114 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:46,800 Asians not only extremely celebrations 115 00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:50,280 but extreme changes in acceleration 116 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:52,380 which is what I'm talking about in terms 117 00:05:00,470 --> 00:04:58,680 of a radical change of pace the basic 118 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:00,480 concept we're trying to generate here is 119 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:02,580 that if you have an initiating force 120 00:05:09,460 --> 00:05:05,190 applied to an object and it takes some 121 00:05:12,410 --> 00:05:09,470 time before that object can absorb an 122 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:12,420 equal and opposite reaction then the 123 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:14,370 initiating force the prime mover if you 124 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:16,320 want to call it can retract an ability 125 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:21,390 reaction the slide that story just 126 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:23,820 showed it was great I loved it where it 127 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:25,380 shows one last kind of bumping into the 128 00:05:29,030 --> 00:05:26,850 mass and it just moves it all the way 129 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:29,040 down the right that's kind of what we're 130 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:30,870 talking about except here you're pushing 131 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:33,000 against this mess and then you go and 132 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:35,010 then you get away from it before has a 133 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:38,190 chance to react it's almost like you 134 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:40,290 want to rob a bank you can do it you 135 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:41,730 just have to get out of a system before 136 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,450 they catch you so if you're really quick 137 00:05:48,410 --> 00:05:46,620 you're doing it you get the money and 138 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:48,420 you leave and of course the system of 139 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:49,800 course has to be the whole country since 140 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:52,500 there's law enforcement thanks of that 141 00:05:58,820 --> 00:05:54,240 nature but if you can get in and out it 142 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:58,830 works lilo Davis said many years ago you 143 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:00,660 can get away with anything just as long 144 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:02,370 as you're outside the system before it 145 00:06:06,470 --> 00:06:04,770 can react and I think that's kind of a 146 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:06,480 name of the game and that's where the 147 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:08,820 propulsion idea comes from that we push 148 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:10,800 against something and we get all the way 149 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:12,930 before it happens you can make push it 150 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:15,060 again just it gets a little confused 151 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:16,680 because it keeps getting pushed and get 152 00:06:23,770 --> 00:06:18,330 signals in there but then before it can 153 00:06:29,050 --> 00:06:26,230 what we've done here this is the mission 154 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:29,060 the top equation is one that really was 155 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:32,090 actually started up with you have our 156 00:06:37,810 --> 00:06:33,710 classical mechanics all these various 157 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:37,820 things oops excuse me wrong button this 158 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:42,020 position the viscosity this is base your 159 00:06:49,090 --> 00:06:45,440 resistance term this is the mass emek ma 160 00:06:51,430 --> 00:06:49,100 equals F F equals MA excuse me and this 161 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:51,440 is the third derivative the third 162 00:06:55,030 --> 00:06:52,850 derivative sought we're not really using 163 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:55,040 we used to force capacitance resistance 164 00:06:59,530 --> 00:06:57,650 inertia whatever but not so much a third 165 00:07:01,900 --> 00:06:59,540 derivative it's that third derivative 166 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:01,910 that really counts it's curious that the 167 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:03,590 right to a certain has the same kind of 168 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:06,110 form of an equation there is an 169 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:09,050 assumption here of these two items here 170 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:10,340 which may be something altogether 171 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:13,220 different and right now this is 172 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:14,630 basically a constant and this would be a 173 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:16,970 mass but that might not be the same and 174 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:18,800 it does not actually required to be done 175 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:22,160 that way this is actually a solution on 176 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:25,010 I'm put this up and primarily because to 177 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:29,510 point out to point out the denominator 178 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:32,300 this term here which is the capacitance 179 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:34,450 excuse me inductance capacitance 180 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:36,800 resistance term and then this other term 181 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:41,930 right here now you can get and in terms 182 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:44,030 of if you're trying to get something 183 00:07:50,050 --> 00:07:46,250 really good at a dominate you you didn't 184 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:50,060 go to 0 this term here could go to 0 you 185 00:07:52,990 --> 00:07:51,140 could have the inductance and 186 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:53,000 capacitance at some point basically 187 00:08:00,190 --> 00:07:57,410 matched here if you didn't have this 188 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:00,200 Trump f0 you always have R square it's 189 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:01,940 always going to be something you may get 190 00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:04,910 some reduced resistance in the in terms 191 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:08,240 of superconductivity but not it's not 192 00:08:15,670 --> 00:08:12,620 going to 0 here though theoretically you 193 00:08:19,570 --> 00:08:15,680 can and so you could have a position for 194 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:19,580 suddenly this thing goes to 0 and the 195 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:27,950 this shows kind of going over into power 196 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:31,650 now or energy and and we get the same 197 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:33,840 kinds of equations everything is pretty 198 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:39,000 much the same excuse me again this is 199 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:41,370 based on charge here but you can also do 200 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:43,260 it in terms of well you can do it in 201 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:44,610 terms of current so it's slightly 202 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:47,160 different but I prefer to use this we're 203 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:49,520 going to keep referring this to this 204 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:52,350 third derivative as being the important 205 00:08:58,130 --> 00:08:56,880 thing if you solve the equation one of 206 00:09:00,800 --> 00:08:58,140 the things that happens here is that 207 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:00,810 well this is just a rate of at which 208 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:02,130 energy is delivered to the circuit 209 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:05,160 that's your input this is the 210 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:07,770 capacitance this is the inductance terms 211 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:11,010 they're pretty much the same except 212 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:14,610 especially with this sign turn and that 213 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:16,410 sine term can go back and forth you can 214 00:09:22,430 --> 00:09:18,330 get a plus or minus with a sign of any 215 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:22,440 angle okay so those two go back and 216 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:24,480 forth they simply just rotate around 217 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:26,970 each other if you will it's the same 218 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:29,010 thing on a pendulum you have potential 219 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:31,680 energy of a potential but no kinetic may 220 00:09:34,810 --> 00:09:33,090 comes rolling down and you lose 221 00:09:36,830 --> 00:09:34,820 potential energy and it goes into 222 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:36,840 kinetic energy which is the same 223 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:40,590 basically concept you're doing here the 224 00:09:48,530 --> 00:09:45,740 perm forum excuse me again the term for 225 00:09:52,010 --> 00:09:48,540 the resistance i squared our heating if 226 00:09:55,730 --> 00:09:52,020 you will is it's a sine squared bill so 227 00:09:58,490 --> 00:09:55,740 in this term it doesn't switch science 228 00:10:01,040 --> 00:09:58,500 your resistance is always going to take 229 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:01,050 energy from the system and deliver to 230 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:06,450 the universe some part okay well it's to 231 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:09,450 the term it matches it is the term we've 232 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:12,810 added here the this would be the third 233 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:15,660 derivative the charge same thing but 234 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:18,540 it's the opposite sign so this third 235 00:10:23,780 --> 00:10:20,580 term is basically saying this is the 236 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:23,790 energy whoops again thank you this is 237 00:10:28,830 --> 00:10:24,460 energy 238 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:28,840 n by the universe into the system 239 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:32,050 scoring the other direction and I don't 240 00:10:37,380 --> 00:10:33,460 have as much time this is a power ratio 241 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:37,390 which says is sort of the same thing if 242 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:40,450 this was zero it would be just this is 243 00:10:44,190 --> 00:10:42,190 why you don't get over unity because 244 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:44,200 there's always some losses here this is 245 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:46,390 always a positive number and the oils 246 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:48,790 gonna have losses but if you don't you 247 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:52,180 do something altogether different now 248 00:11:01,590 --> 00:10:59,910 this term here this is kind of your 249 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:01,600 mainstream physics this is what we've 250 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:03,250 always been operating with this is what 251 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:04,720 everything is kind of beige stone-built 252 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:07,360 own but what we want to do is go to this 253 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:09,340 term here and try to make something of 254 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:14,710 it now this is a quote by Arthur Young 255 00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:16,240 who got into this third derivative 256 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:18,640 aspect he said the science is based on 257 00:11:22,830 --> 00:11:20,290 the derivatives discovered by believe 258 00:11:24,150 --> 00:11:22,840 Justin Newton I like the fact he keeps 259 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:24,160 leading us in there as well as Newton 260 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:26,170 the derivatives are rates of change 261 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:28,750 first really change position velocity 262 00:11:33,390 --> 00:11:30,970 the second derivatives the acceleration 263 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:33,400 the third derivative is a change of 264 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:36,100 acceleration of acceleration of current 265 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:38,290 either one that's always ignored by 266 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:41,410 science but it is because we can change 267 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:43,470 the acceleration that we can drive a car 268 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:45,730 in a few did you couldn't stop you need 269 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:47,290 officially accelerator and couldn't 270 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:48,940 change that you're not doing somewhat 271 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:51,850 trouble and this is basically through 272 00:11:58,590 --> 00:11:55,870 the idea it is through control we use 273 00:11:59,970 --> 00:11:58,600 the laws of determinism the control is a 274 00:12:02,310 --> 00:11:59,980 principle which makes it possible for 275 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:02,320 life in similar fashion to use the laws 276 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:04,840 of determination to control metabolism 277 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:07,410 to store energy and move against entropy 278 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:09,940 this is the theory process that author 279 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:13,030 young put out and I emphasize it because 280 00:12:19,410 --> 00:12:17,500 it's got the it's got this zero first 281 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:19,420 second and third derivatives the first 282 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:21,510 is what he called unconscious action and 283 00:12:27,810 --> 00:12:24,820 then the second unconscious reaction and 284 00:12:31,380 --> 00:12:27,820 then conscious reaction these three 285 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:31,390 again are the determinism this is why in 286 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:34,030 physics if you look at the hard core 287 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:36,270 physics in the way everything 288 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:38,790 determined it's just a clock we're just 289 00:12:41,420 --> 00:12:39,930 running along we're just trying to get 290 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:41,430 all the details but nothing can only be 291 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:45,300 added or taken away but when you go into 292 00:12:50,330 --> 00:12:47,250 the third derivative this control it's 293 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:50,340 conscious action you change something so 294 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:52,140 there's even a certain sense that 295 00:12:55,220 --> 00:12:53,610 something you have to think about 296 00:12:57,860 --> 00:12:55,230 consciousness which other they would 297 00:13:03,320 --> 00:12:57,870 probably rather not think about not in 298 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:03,330 physics is too hard to deal with what i 299 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:05,130 am trying to send it's very very brief 300 00:13:10,070 --> 00:13:06,450 thing because I'm just about out of time 301 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:10,080 the universe always contributes a steady 302 00:13:16,250 --> 00:13:13,430 state the contribution is probably 303 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:16,260 minuscule it simply wouldn't show up on 304 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:18,540 anything transient conditions you have 305 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:20,790 greater University contribution one of 306 00:13:25,490 --> 00:13:22,050 the things that people have noticed in 307 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:25,500 mechanical engineering is that if you 308 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:27,420 turn it on some it you know motors use 309 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:29,250 first when you first apply it you get 310 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:31,560 this transient condition and before you 311 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:34,170 know it they just takes off and it's 312 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:36,510 goes berserk goes up some case so 313 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:39,090 literally comes apart that trend they 314 00:13:43,850 --> 00:13:41,250 have to spend a lot of time to make sure 315 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:43,860 the transients don't get out of hand but 316 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:45,570 the transient condition is the deal is 317 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:48,450 the change and the greater the change 318 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:49,410 the grid of the universe its 319 00:13:55,820 --> 00:13:52,140 contribution the greater the rate of 320 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:55,830 change the system there's a system delay 321 00:14:02,300 --> 00:13:59,090 if I if I like I'm pushing against this 322 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:02,310 register here there's a message goes 323 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:04,380 from here into the center of gravity 324 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:07,260 that comes back just push back but a bit 325 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:09,120 real quick it won't have a chance and 326 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:10,890 this time delay is the name of 327 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:13,320 everything this whole thing actually 328 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:14,880 gets shown up a little bit in something 329 00:14:19,270 --> 00:14:16,380 called sonoluminescence supposed to be 330 00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:19,280 you're probably familiar with and the 331 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:22,470 this case this is an ideal place to kind 332 00:14:27,940 --> 00:14:25,140 of look for a little bit because the 333 00:14:31,130 --> 00:14:27,950 you're growing from a acceleration 334 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:31,140 billions of times the acceleration of 335 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:33,780 gravity to zero acceleration in going 336 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:36,690 the other direction and obviously a rate 337 00:14:41,510 --> 00:14:38,670 of change of acceleration is enormous 338 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:41,520 and then you put the sum of the numbers 339 00:14:45,860 --> 00:14:43,260 to it it comes out you start getting 340 00:14:47,290 --> 00:14:45,870 what's out of this contribution and it's 341 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:47,300 so it's not told ians 342 00:14:54,820 --> 00:14:49,580 and that's being fairly conservative in 343 00:14:56,650 --> 00:14:54,830 terms of your assumptions the big key of 344 00:14:58,570 --> 00:14:56,660 course is that time to let big number 345 00:15:02,590 --> 00:14:58,580 which in this case was either the Dior 346 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:02,600 the W so that the that's what makes it 347 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:04,370 but you still need local energy in the 348 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:08,690 system to initiate the reaction okay 349 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:13,940 that's I'm all out of time ok so if any 350 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:24,410 questions our speaker ended right on 351 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:26,089 time so we have about five minutes for 352 00:15:31,150 --> 00:15:30,050 questions ok Bernie's closest so I'm 353 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:31,160 just curious what does this have to do 354 00:15:35,889 --> 00:15:34,310 with the moon your Paytas and secondly I 355 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:35,899 didn't hear the first of all this have 356 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:39,440 to do with the moon oh it is we the moon 357 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:41,360 in the sense of I'm just want to go 358 00:15:45,490 --> 00:15:43,370 there we need a manned space mission to 359 00:15:47,769 --> 00:15:45,500 go there so no I don't know where it 360 00:15:48,940 --> 00:15:47,779 comes from no stone question of course 361 00:15:50,530 --> 00:15:48,950 you keep going to higher and higher 362 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:50,540 derivatives why stop at three why not 363 00:15:55,510 --> 00:15:53,240 four or five six be if you do the fourth 364 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:55,520 derivative is a good question i like it 365 00:15:58,540 --> 00:15:56,930 i say it's good question because i 366 00:16:01,090 --> 00:15:58,550 actually thought about it before and i 367 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:01,100 have an answer but if you actually do 368 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:02,690 the mathematics the fourth derivative 369 00:16:07,389 --> 00:16:04,640 the form of the fourth year we turns out 370 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:07,399 to be the same as the 0th derivative the 371 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:08,870 fifth is the same as the first 372 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:11,360 derivative and there's the difference is 373 00:16:16,690 --> 00:16:14,690 a frequency to the fourth power so it's 374 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,700 like there and i think of it as kind of 375 00:16:21,610 --> 00:16:19,040 a resonance or harmonic maybe that's a 376 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:21,620 better term of the 0th rivet of the 377 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:24,529 fifth is on the floor excuse me so it 378 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:25,910 just it works out that way in the 379 00:16:37,889 --> 00:16:36,150 okay then we got to have one over there 380 00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:37,899 next because I want to see them run back 381 00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:42,399 and there I was just kind of wondering 382 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,470 you said you have to push very quickly 383 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:46,480 do you have an order of magnitude on how 384 00:16:52,290 --> 00:16:49,529 quick you push before it reacts the 385 00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,300 Summoner luminescence as it is to an 386 00:16:56,670 --> 00:16:54,160 example at least we have something to do 387 00:16:59,759 --> 00:16:56,680 with about twenty-five thousand cycles 388 00:17:02,340 --> 00:16:59,769 per second so it's a pretty good size 389 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:02,350 number if you apply the numbers it it 390 00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:03,850 does require some pretty high 391 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:06,160 frequencies which means we may be 392 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:11,890 limited in some fashion by technology 393 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:15,130 but it's not it's not limited in 394 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:18,490 principle so so but I have seen other 395 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:21,130 things too that this is not completely 396 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:22,329 part of it it's also part of the 397 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:24,730 situation if you've got even any kind of 398 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:28,329 reaction to this or that you do you 399 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:29,380 would sort of prove that the law of 400 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:31,590 conservation of energy is somewhat 401 00:17:36,090 --> 00:17:34,809 lacking my own feeling is the 402 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:36,100 conservation of energy is kind of a 403 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:38,590 bookkeeping that's what we'd use it for 404 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:41,530 but there's round off error you know you 405 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:43,510 now you know if it's only 49 cents we're 406 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:45,340 not going to count it as a dollar and so 407 00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:47,410 forth so that helps I think a little bit 408 00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:53,679 there another question you talked about 409 00:18:01,860 --> 00:17:58,720 that the transients I remember was some 410 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,870 consulting i was doing we had a 700 411 00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,000 horsepower electric motor that was not 412 00:18:09,870 --> 00:18:07,360 induction and we had to tell Kansas 413 00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:09,880 power in like 20 minutes before we 414 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:11,500 pushed the start button otherwise it 415 00:18:21,659 --> 00:18:17,500 would bring down the hole 0 Kansas do 416 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:21,669 you consider the impact load when you 417 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:23,050 talk about transiency talking about 418 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:26,770 impact load or is it out or do you 419 00:18:31,169 --> 00:18:29,080 include the impact of when you first 420 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:31,179 start something because there is an 421 00:18:37,169 --> 00:18:34,570 impact Liz it is greater than than the 422 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:37,179 normal load yeah I think that's actually 423 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:39,490 part of what it is I think it's if you 424 00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:44,000 you include that startup impact 425 00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:46,820 really that transient area the whole lot 426 00:18:50,260 --> 00:18:48,020 of things are possible that weren't 427 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:50,270 possible at all before and that's really 428 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:53,950 far basically agreeing with you on that 429 00:19:00,580 --> 00:18:58,490 other questions can't say no since we 430 00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:00,590 have a a moment or two before I need to 431 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:03,320 cut this off I will comment that the 432 00:19:10,780 --> 00:19:06,530 reason third derivatives are ignored at 433 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:10,790 least in dynamical laws for moving 434 00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:12,680 objects is simply that when you work out 435 00:19:18,250 --> 00:19:16,400 the laws of motion uh they only go as 436 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:18,260 high as the second derivative there's 437 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:21,170 nothing further going on third 438 00:19:25,810 --> 00:19:24,110 derivatives can appear in in physical 439 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:25,820 systems when there's where there's some 440 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:28,820 activities such as a rigid objects 441 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:32,360 colliding on but those don't emerge from 442 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:35,870 the fundamental dynamics well I would 443 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:39,700 say that if you go in and you go to 444 00:19:46,140 --> 00:19:42,530 questions and you assume for example a 445 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:46,150 continuous space time if your assume 446 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:47,930 conservation of energy you will 447 00:19:51,790 --> 00:19:49,490 definitely get conservation of energy 448 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:51,800 and continuous deal but if you don't 449 00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:53,690 make those assumptions it's a whole new 450 00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:57,740 ballgame okay so ah there's a question 451 00:20:09,460 --> 00:19:59,270 back there if we still got time for one 452 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:09,470 more last question Thanks so I just want 453 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:11,990 to confirm that which some something 454 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:14,330 that I agree with to it to a good extent 455 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:17,210 that the third derivative is essentially 456 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:19,550 you called it control it's an ability to 457 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:21,050 change from an acceleration to a 458 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:22,790 different acceleration and does that 459 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,170 essentially point to free will or a lack 460 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:28,880 of determinism is that what gives us the 461 00:20:34,690 --> 00:20:30,830 element of ability to have free will in 462 00:20:37,030 --> 00:20:34,700 in life yes I somehow didn't actually 463 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:37,040 use the word free will do just realize 464 00:20:41,530 --> 00:20:39,080 that no that's precisely what it is to 465 00:20:42,820 --> 00:20:41,540 control the third derivative would be at 466 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,830 least from author Young's point of view 467 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:44,450 free will and I think that's probably 468 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,050 where it comes in but it's that key 469 00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:49,520 earlier today we are mr. hope was 470 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:51,580 talking about this wonderful where he 471 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:53,020 good spoon bending and I have to tell 472 00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:55,480 you I did 11 turn her spoon like this 473 00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,750 and then I was ready to go who's it and 474 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:01,360 then you know I later I couldn't bend 475 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:03,310 that spoon by myself but it just did 476 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:05,830 that and it's just that real real quick 477 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:09,610 point and somehow there's the source or 478 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,900 something that I'm getting energy from 479 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:12,880 some when they are the rest the universe